Giovanni Battista Piranesi

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2012.02.01 14:44
Narrative in architecture / landscape?
And there's Piranesi's Ichnographia Campus Martius --"While representing a reenacted plan of ancient Rome's Field of Mars, Piranesi ingeniously delineates two narratives -- that of pagan Rome and that of Christian Rome--and at the same time offers an unprecedented lesson in urban design. Within the Ichnographia Campus Martius there is the "Pagan - Christian Triumphal Way," which also fits within the sequential/narrative formula of the promenade architecturale noted above, and there is "Eros et Thanatos."

2012.01.06 09:33
Ury, now quondam, exactly 200 years ago
At night I (re)read "The Iconography of the Emperor Maxentius' Buildings in Via Appia." Again, there seems to be no knowledge of the Circus of Hadrian (at Rome). It's now clear that "De Spectaculis II" begins with collecting all I can on the Circus of Hadrian.

bilocation, finally
Some more on "Bilocation Syndrome":
1. Axis of Life / Benjamin Franklin Parkway.
2. my walk down the Parkway / Axis of Life.
3. the key to Ichnographia Quondam.
4. Pagan - Christian - Triumphal Way of the Ichnographia Campus Martius.
5. Temple of Janus; Arch of Trajan/Constantine.
6. Diana the Huntress/Nympaeum; Vatican/Life of Constantine tapestries; Gates of Hell; Logan Circle/Hadrian's Tomb; Intercourse building /Love.

I want to also employ Quondam as an outlet for architectural fiction, and, right now, the theme of Quondam's architecture fiction is Quondam itself and the buildings in its collection are the novel characters. For what it's worth, I just thought of the Houses for Otto as "ancient" ruins where there are foundational remains but nothing else--we don't even really know if they are/were even houses. (And now I'm seeing how this is very much how Piranesi operated within the ICM and the earlier plans.) In any case, the narrative at Quondam derives from the stories that each building or buildings present.

2009.01.31 16:38
Re: Misc. stuff
After seeing Lost this past week I was inspired with a new way to think about Quondam and what I've sort of already been doing there--experiment with architecture within a/the space time continuum. For example, where some building models have already been collaged together, it's not just being playful but also seeing what it's like when architectures from different places and/or different times cross paths. Another example is how the Axis of Life of the Ichnographia matches the Benjamin Franklin Parkway is like where two different space/time architectures actually lock together (hence the Ichnographia Quondam).

...working title: All Within Hadrian's Limits. A narrative non-fiction story of Piranesi's Ichnographia Campus Martius. The idea was to start writing with all the Hadrian related material: mother/son, Antoninus, Bustum, etc.

I want to write...
Mix up the Ichnographia plans. Compose odd juxtaposition drawings using the 2D drawings already available.

redrawing the Campo Marzio, etc.
...writing up (for the Encyclopedia Ichnographia) the fictitious buildings, where I might be more imaginative in what they mean (more subjective than objective?). This would be complimentary to (finally) getting the historical buildings entered (mainly in conjunction with Platner's texts). I still have to review Writing Rome and see what ancient texts I can find online. If nothing else, at least renew the book so I have it for another three weeks.

2005.07.09 15:34
Re: NeoClassical Chili
The Circus of Maxentius has been a unanswered question in my mind for a few years now, and I think I know why Piranesi 'secretly' printed two different version of the Ichnographia Campus Martius--the Circus of Maxentius is the 'key' to the inversion of the pagan Roman Circus into the Early Christian 'basilica'.

2005.05.06 17:24
Koolhaas versus the Actor
Stirling is a consummate reenactionary architect, and he knew it, but he put most of his clues in his architecture only--although his entry for Roma Interrotta is an overt reference to Piranesi's Campo Marzio plan and reenactionary architecturism. Just as Rossi reenacted the Bustum Hadriani with the Modena Cemetery, but it doesn't look like he ever told Tafuri about it. Yes, Rossi was silent, as are most architects when it comes to telling others where their real 'originality' comes from.

2005.05.04 13:29
...the Berlin Masque as a design related to Piranesi's Ichnographia Campus Martius...

2003.11.17 20:22
can you spot the differences?
Each of the six circuses delineated within the Ichnographia (large plan) were completely changed in design configuration to the perfected configuration that is found in the real Circus of Maxentius (306-312 AD). Piranesi's own circus designs (i.e., with the openings) in the first state are very stylized versions of a circus plan.
Piranesi spent a lot of time surveying and measuring Roman ruins, and perhaps he himself measured the Circus of Maxentius, found the refinement of its plan (apparently the Circus of Maxentius is the most refined arena layout for chariot racing), and thought to change his circus designs after some versions of the Ichnographia were already published (--but here I'm only making a possible guess).
All the long U-shaped plans in both renditions of the large plan are circuses--one circus along the mid to upper left edge is cut out and not shown in its entirety.

2003.07.24 22:35
Re: news from [Old] York
...the Benjamin Franklin Parkway matches exactly the long axis of Piranesi's Ichnographia Campus Martius, with the Philadelphia Museum of Art at one end matching the Nymphaeum Neronis, Logan Circle at the middle of the Parkway matches Hadrian's Tomb, and the tiny intercourse building at the other end matches the location of the Robert Indiana LOVE sculpture at the entrance to JFK Plaza.
Since it's inception in the early 1920s, the Benjamin Franklin Parkway was seriously considered a reenactment of the Champ Elysees from the Tuileries to the Arc de Triomphe. The Free Library and the Court House on Logan Circle even reenact the Palaces at the Place de la Concorde. I have never come across any reference comparing the Benjamin Franklin Parkway and Piranesi's Campo Marzio, but, who knows, maybe the Champs Elysees was somehow inspired by Piranesi's plan.

Campo Marzio and Philadelphia at Hadrian's Tomb / Logan Circle true north.
The circus of Eutropia's bastard son; a lost Piranesi found.

2002.12.17 17:25
Re: a Bemused Tadao Ando observation
Interesting how you relate the Museum of Literature to a kind of theme park. It could easily be said that Kahn's formal playfulness was inspired by Piranesi's Ichnographia Campus Martius, an ultimate plan of an ancient Roman theme park if there ever was one.

"The Crossed Architecture of Piranesi" -- all the "cross architecture" within the Ichnographia Campo Marzio.

09.08 16:50
back to the Campo Marzio
I think the circus delineations of the second state (which are all virtually identical to each other) are in fact delineations based on the Circus of Maxentius (rather than the Circus Maximus). This is somewhat significant in that (according to my research and interpretation of the Ichnographia as a double narrative relating Rome's "inversion from pagan city to Christian city) Maxentius is exactly the ruler of Rome immediately prior to Constantine's Christian efforts.

OTHERWISE EYES directory ideas
innuendo: an analysis of the Campo Marzio phallic plans plus its womb plans (Ara Martis, Area Martis).
pieces: Campo Marzio contiguous elements.

letter from/to India
...the possible connection between the tomb of Augustus and the Great Stupa. ...the issue of Piranesi and two dimensional (architectural) space...

coloring plans (axons)
...color backgrounds for the Ichnographia plans could make a substantial difference in their overall appearance.

1999. 01.28
infringement complex 2, etc.
...a third complex could have Campo Marzio plans as the elevations. ... the Philadelphia model mixed with the Campo Marzio. ...Ottopia...

...Giza Pyramid on the axis of death... ...infringement complex within the same area...

Learning from Lauf, (vague) S. - outline
Race Street - Corso (Eguiria) connection
Independence Mall - Ichnographia connection

Porticus Neronianae and the circle/square juncture, etc.
...the cruciform Porticus Neronianae is not only somewhat similar to the Villa Rotunda, but also seems to be generated by the circle/square juncture diagram. ...Piranesi may be commenting on Palladio's design methodology.

subtext reenactment
...a bizarre idea of having a secret place "beneath" the Encyclopedia Ichnographia. ...a place where the Campo Marzio is being reenacted in 3D using the model collection. ...constructing an "analogous city" a la Canaletto's Capriccio... ...morphing the Altes Museum into one a long (linear) porticus... ...replacing the Sepul. Hadriani with the layered structure from Stirling's Walraf-Richartz Museum...

Ichnographia as a base for Quondam models
...the idea of placing the model collection into some kind of context--an imaginary context--the idea of using the Ichnographia as the base plan for the context. The "program" of the Ichnographia could inform the museum context. For example, the Porticus Septa Julia is analogous to Plecnik's Houses Under a Common Roof (although perhaps not really close in scale?) and the houses will be simply placed there. This opens up the opportunity to place other models in other analogous situations. Another example is the sundial and placing it at the horoleum... ...greater implications when including the Parkway Interpolation model as well as the Center City model. This is also the prefect environment for the library elements... ...the makings of an extremely virtual place. ...the whole design could manifest a message, and that message could be a critique of today's architecture... ...placing Acropolis Q at the Garden of Satire.

connection between Rossi and Piranesi
...the St. Peter's - Area Martis overlay is the same as the Modena Cemetery - Bustum Hadriani overlay.

animated gifs @ Quondam
Meandering through the Ichnographia...

Not There - table of contents
5. typologies of the Campo Marzio. ...list the number of types and the number of examples from each type, etc.

experiments with the Philadelphia model/virtual history
...create a surreal environment... ...not seen before. ...this idea stems from working on the Campo Marzio, wondering whether the Campo Marzio will inspire a new theory on urban design.

Campo Marzio - 3-D reconstruction
...start creating 3-D constructions of Piranesi's plans, ...be as inventive as Piranesi was. ...using (metabolic) imagination and create a new Imperial Rome. ...be very loose (especially in the beginning) and experiment in a carefree way. ...do not worry whether it is "Roman" or not. ...find the path through experimentation... ...start with some easy plans...

epiphanies, ideas
...design alternatives to how architecture can adapt over time. ...example... ...the Wacko House as infrastructure and the actual cladding and climatizing of the "building" takes on any number of manifestations. ...theoretical implications i.e., regarding the extremism of historical preservation, palimpsest, urban renewal, metabolism vs. osmosis, design over time, Piranesi's contiguous elements, etc.

project notes: Campo Marzio
...contiguous elements in context as 3-D extrusions...

Fasolo article - illustrations and notes
...a scale recognition solution pertaining to the new illustrations of the Campo Marzio plan--overlay a new grid (perhaps 100 meters spacing). [Re-illustrate the article with all the plans presented at the same scale. Redrawn Fasolo's analytical plan diagrams.]

scale and architecture
...the gigantism of Piranesi's Campo Marzio continued.
1. ...a specific section of the Campo Marzio superimposed the footprint plans of the elevational group [Group Q]. ...also overlay the Giza complex.
2. ...a plan of the Parkway area of Center City Philadelphia... ...the same scale as a section of the Campo Marzio.
3. ...the Philadelphia street grid superimposed on the Campo Marzio.
4. ...x-hatched building footprints of Philadelphia superimposed on the Campo Marzio. ...a comparison/contrast between the Campo Marzio and another form of urban density.
5. ...the Voisin Plan of Paris... 6. ...the Voison Plan superimposed on the Campo Marzio.

(unique) architectural drawings
...perspectives of plans such as the Campo Marzio... [...aerial perspectives of the Ichnographia Quondam models including the composite plan data...]

scale and architecture
...[collect all the] domestic architecture Campo Marzio.

scale and architecture
...compile [a new] Recueil using all the data [in Quondam's collection]: the building models, the Philadelphia plan, Parkway Interpolation, and the Campo Marzio plans. [Part of the objective of Ichnographia Quondam could well be to compile a new Recueil.]

scale and architecture
The gigantism of Piranesi's Campo Marzio becomes plainly evident when it is compared with other urban plans at the same scale. ....already done some comparative analysis between the Campo Marzio and parts of Center City Philadelphia, particularly the area around the Philadelphia Museum of Art because that building and the plan of the Benj. Franklin Parkway are themselves, in general, fine examples of an urban design gigantism practiced in America in the early twentieth century. ...do more drawings that show greater amounts of area, and perhaps also compose some overlay drawings, meaning superimposed plans.
If anything, this exercise is a lesson in scale and, in particular, gigantic scale. It could lead to a better understanding of Piranesi's intention and his ideas on urbanism, and it might also lead to a understanding of urban scale in general, where the Campo Marzio may actually shed some light on the urban situation of some actual cities, in this case, of course, Philadelphia.



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